Titleist 718 AP2 Irons: 4. They are truly in a class by themselves. Let me put my weights on the review categories and get generated scores for each club. I SENT THEM TO MALTBY GOLFWORKS TO BE REFACED, REGROOVED AND RECHROMED AND THEY ARE AS GOOD AS NEW. With an average shot dispersion of 5.57 yards off the center line, the Cobra Pro CB  finished just inches below the average for the shots we tested, which is why despite its popularity with our testers, we simply couldn’t put it in the top spot..  We certainly would have liked to see a bit tighter numbers from our testers, but when comparing the actual data, the Pro CB was just a hair over ½ of an inch further offline than our #3 most accurate club, so we’re not talking about a huge gap here. MyGolfSpy, Inc. All Rights Reserved. It’s now moving into late July. Uh … not that clubheads don’t matter – they obviously do – but unless you shafted each clubhead with the same shaft , you were only testing shaft differences between those that used the kbs vs dynamic gold. And who exactly is hitting your clubs that they need the softer tipped (helper) kbs to get the ball up ? Your basically telling us that your testing performance at swing speeds that, if you were hitting a 6 iron, are below 88. OnOFFKuro 2015 were well loved and look great, http://blog.tourspecgolf.com/onoff-2015-kuro-forged-irons-review/, (Sorry, failed to see it was in JDM. There are two main types of irons - cavity backs and blades. I tried a set of MP-53’s with the Exsar graphite shaft and they didn’t even feel similar to the Project X. Golfsmith wanted $400, I got them down to $300 then got a $200 trade in on my Callys…leaving me $100 to shell out. They missed out. Our friends, and testers who got an advance preview really liked the iron, but as new clubs trickled in, it seems as if everyone found something they liked better than Scratch’s most forgiving iron. I am so glad to see this trend because now I don’t have to buy a set of $1500.00 Epon’s, or Miura’s to get the feel that I have come to love. × Titleist Pro V-1X, I still find the TOMMY ARMOUR 845s irons to play closer to a player's blade iron than any other CB iron available on the market currently or in the past...JD, Callaway Epic Flash Subzero Triple Diamond 10.5 down to 9.5 Diamana DF 60X TaylorMade SIM MAX Irons (Best Cavity Back Irons Overall) Callaway Mavrik Max Iron Set (Best Alternative #1) Cobra Speedzone Iron Set (Best Alternative #2) TaylorMade Golf M5 Irons Set (Best Cavity Back Irons for Lower … Fairways & Greens 4ever…………. Really, these are the best, most thorough reviews I have seen anywhere, big or small company, on line or print. 70 We do things a bit differently around here”. That is why Mizuno takes the lead. Can't really ask for more. #4-Hy JBeam - Attas. During the testing period several of our testers pointed out that the grips on the irons were misaligned, causing the iron to set up open when using the indicator lines on the grip as your guide. Must resist temptation….but…cannot My question is how do they compare to the AP2s in terms of head size, feel, distance, etc? @Luke – I applaud your powers of foresight. MIURA CB57 5-7                           MCI MMT-125TX, MIURA Tourney Blade 8-P            MCI MMT-125TX Regarding Luke’s comment(12/13 @ 8:13pm) about getting the moths out of your wallet, hey Luke, since you obviously have no moths in your wallet, why don’t you be the first to reach in your pocket & take one for the team! The Mp-53’s are a tad shorter in distance as the loft is weaker and the shaft is 1/2 inch shorter than the X24 Hots, but I am adapting to the changes well. We had some concern that the popularity of the club might influence our subjective polling, while that doesn’t seem to be the case, the AP2 did prove to be a sneaky popular iron. It’s a shame you didn’t get to test the Srixon Z-TX irons. I wonder how T. Wishon’s may have fared….. Let me restate my question. A long time ago, the cavity back irons were known for forgiveness, but their feel was not nearly as good. If you’re one who believes iron testing begins and ends with accuracy, I won’t argue with you too much. For example, I may be distance focused or accuracy focused or I may not care about feel. If you are confident in your ball striking ability, blades golf clubs will offer you much better results than cavity backs can. I love my Nikes, but the Adams are the best feeling, longest forged irons I have ever hit. Another fine review guys. If metal has been removed, leaving a "cavity," it is a cavity back. I have to say that the VIP’s do not have as large of a sweet spot as the Adam’s, Mizuno’s or Cobra’s, so they did feel a bit harder since I hadn’t swung them long enough to be dialed in. I think some way to have a formula that can calculate the distance/ball speed versus loft and length would make for a more fair review. At least Wilson isn’t a brand name offered by a 3rd party marketer like Golfsmith…. I just appreciate what you do. It was rated in the top half of the pack for looks, but that’s just the beginning. That in and of itself isn’t that big of a deal, but the EZ-1 also produced the slowest ball speeds, and although we haven’t started including it in our reviews (yet), the 2nd lowest smash factor of the clubs we tested. It added value to my purchase of a new iron set in Denver yesterday. However, you can choose to play blade irons if your ball striking skill is great and you need more distance and control. WRXer ‘jomatty’ is on the hunt for a new 54-degree wedge and asks for the pros and cons of using a cavity back wedge, and our members have been sharing their experiences in our forum. Rock, It looks like Letters are aiming a range smack bang at the better player and they have a decent selection of players on the Senior and lower tours playing the product. We look at a lot of numbers even beyond what we’re publishing in this review, but as we’ve already said,  no data point in our minds is more important than accuracy; and when it comes to accuracy, MacGregor’s VIP irons finished first. That’s how I feel about the MacGregor name now. EVNROLL ER2 Mid Blade Black with Gravity Grip I put a set of these in the bag having done some pretty extensive testing here in the UK. Then a whole bunch of distance before we get to other good ones like Yonex and the 718 CB. I'm biased so I say these since I been playing them for 5 years and nothing has threatened to take their spot in my bag. We like what the data tells us,  and we think the MacGregor Pro VIP is an easy choice for 3rd place. Of course, I’d be remiss if I didn’t point out that the total length of the CNC forged is visibly shorter than everything else we tested, which, in part, accounts for the relatively small distance numbers, despite the above average ball speed. Not sure if anyone has thoughts on that. I have played Cleveland irons and wedges for 7 to 8 years, and have had similar problems finding any Cleveland gear on the rack in stores to even look at for the last 3 years since their merger with Srixon. So lets start there. Not long after we received our test set, Cobra announced that its replacement, the S3 Pro CB, would be available soon. Would the fact that the Scratch irons have the weakest lofts of the bunch affect distance, and ball speed? How come you didn’t test any Miura clubs? Price point is drawing me there, 5 hdcp player at home and a traveling 7; able to work the ball when needed; point here is price is not the decicing factor BUT when you’ve rated VIPs with Mizuno it matters. Beginning with this review, we’re giving you the option to interact with our data in whatever way is meaningful for you. We’ve already mentioned the grips, and perhaps that played a role in the fact that the Scratch EZ-1 was the only club to not register on a single golfers top 3 list for looks, feel, or the general desire to take home. Perfect grind along with great neck shape to make good setup, telling me that I am good to make a good grip. Tried the CB1s & CB2s, and the Golds will be in my bag one more season. Callaway Epic Flash Heavenwood Tour AD DI 8X The amount of work involved in performance-based head to head review is substantial. Would like to see ur reviews for the TM Burner 2.0, Mizuno 800 Pro and Cleveland CG16 tour. Callaway Apex Iron Set: 2. 2020 Best Players Irons. TaylorMade P790 Iron Set: 3. The guy I work with at Cleveland is one of the best…but it was out of his hands. They were developed with the feedback of several Mizuno tour professionals among whom Luke Donald … If you are a mid to high handicapper, there are some great Mizuno iron choices on the market for you. And I would even have to say that the Mizuno’s and Adams, may even feel a little sweeter. These have provided me with something that feel and distance can not…confidence. That said, I hope you guys keep doing what you’re doing. Even if distance isn’t on your priority list, it will no doubt raise your eyebrows. PING S55, Miura CB57, and Bridgestone J40/Tourstage Z101. I knew that Don White was with Scratch Golf but he hasn’t been there since the company’s inception and I don’t know what part he played in the design reviewed here. Although it finished behind our 2nd place club on the list of clubs our testers would most like to take home with them, its overall well  above average subjective scores, coupled with rock solid accuracy numbers, have us plenty convinced that the Mizuno MP-53 is the best forged cavityback iron on the market today. In that respect, the Wilson FG Tour offers the slightest of letdowns, finishing a tick behind the Cobra Pro CB, which if we’re grouping things would put it in the 2nd flight. I really appreciate this in depth review. Hell, I can’t promise we’ll ever get there, but that’s the road we’re on. is difficult when you’re in the position of basically deciding what should matter to anyone and everyone. I'm biased so I say these since I been playing them for 5 years and nothing has threatened to take their spot in my bag. We’re also going to use the one-offs as an opportunity to experiment a bit more with the interactivity. The Pro Blacks are great hybrids, though you have to put an iron swing on them & that’s why alot of people hit hybrids, cuz they have a hard time consistently grooving a 3-4 iron swing. They also tweaked the cavity design a bit, giving it cleaner lines, and an ever-so-slightly more of a modern look, while still maintaining the classic Mizuno look that many golfers love. Wish they could have been tested too. Wk 1 1st Place….$87 Is a half-inch off line really important enough to the consumer that it should drop the favorite down a ranking? My new to me 2009 Callaway X Forged have surprised me though, these may even feel softer than the Legacy's, I'd say more forgiving as well. You will also find that the P790 and the P790Ti are quite forgiving. Everyone and anyone doing reviews should and probably will emulate your attention to detail. The MP-53 finished 2nd with our testers for feel, it also received more than it share of first place votes. They have some of the best feel in the game, and they are undoubtedly high performing. Started Yesterday at 04:02 AM, Titleist TI Raw SM6 Vokey 56/61 TI DG S400 Black. really enjoyed the review and the design of the interactive review for your 1st attempt. Scratch Golf should stick their heads in the sand in shame. They made some of the best irons, every model is as good as the one before, every Hot List included this year’s MP-53s. Thanks for this and rest of the reviews that this site provides. I played the Adams cb2 all summer and also have a set of mp-52s. To me this is a real simple one, Bridgestone Tourstage MR-23 US Spec CB's. With a smaller sweet spot, you could say that a blade is harder to hit compared to a cavity back. TOO BAD THEY SLIPPED SO IN MARKETING AFTER GREG NORMAN SOLD THE COMPANY. Mizuno MP-18 Split Cavity Iron Set: 10. I have worked in the golf course maintence side of things for a lot of years, and there’s a funny thing about golf, people are loyal to their irons, lots of guys that play golf never hear the truth, they’re surrounded by yes men all day and they have been told they have bar-none the best money can buy. I had narrowed my search down to the ProCB, MP53, and the Callaway X-Forged irons. Or maybe you give a certain number of points per vote from a tester. Come on! They’re dirt cheap right now, and even though they were considered the most forgiving Miura iron, they’re pretty much a players cb iron by modern standards. Tour G 50 Grips  There is a level of personalization and detail you won’t find with a standard set of OEMs, which is why a set of Miura’s will run you $500 more than anything we featured in this review. This was a terrific read. Were all these irons tested with stiff shafts only? Total: $280.00. We want to show you all the data, but the data we think is important may not be important to you, so now for the very first time on any golf club review site you will actually get to pick and choose what data you want to see. The way that cavity back irons are made has really changed. After admitting that the reviewer has a preference for Mizuno, then admitting that it didn’t win in the subjective panel but it still won overall gives the feeling of bias. It has to be noted that the TourEdge finished last for feel, a result with which we won’t disagree. Love the wedge, but I replaced the grip on it even before using it for the first time. Best single length irons set. So, if I like Mizuno’s I have to take them down from the competition and vote for another brand to “avoid” being biased? Personally I don’t understand your comment about Wilson Staff being a football company. Excellent job. As far as understanding the reason why they like Mizuno it is Plain Simple-Its the their milling process-They just have a better way to forge a club. It’s our opinion that a solid case could be made for 6 of the 8 irons we tested. While the driver wasn’t among our favorites, the only fault we could find with the wedges was the price tag. It’s not my place to get into the details, but some of what we do here occasionally rubs an OEM or two (or three, or four) the wrong way, so withholding product can be a way of trying to put us in timeout. Ping G410+ 10.5 GD ADIZ 7TXTM OO Mini driver 13.5  GD Tour ADDI 7XPing Anser 20* GD Tour ADDI 95XMiura CB57'S Raw 4-9 TT DG TI X100Titleist TI Raw SM7 Vokey 48/52 TI DG S400 Black. I've tried a lot of JDM player's cb and mb in the past. Our Best Cavity Back Irons in 2021. But because this is the JDM forum i will also recommened the Miura CB57's. Unfortunately Adams Golf what out of stock of the iron needed for this review. Hopefully we’ll see a muscleback test soon. While performance was squarely in the average range (most clubs we test are), our testers came away with the opinion that Wilson FG Tour was anything but ordinary. I swung the Mizuno 53, Adams CB2, Cobra S3, Titlest 710 CB, and Macgregor VIP’s. We will exclude all irons copied one year to the next or are copied from manufacturer to the next. Jeff, we would have loved to have them take part…although at the time they told us they were backordered on the Adams CB1 irons. And they all did because of the relationship they had with them. It is a Japanese company that produces sports equipment and specializes in blade-style iron clubs. MAC GREGOR WAS “THE STANDARD ” FOR MANY YEARS. Considering making my next purchase before March end. Having undergone thorough testing, we hope that you’re going to find one of them impressive. First, they already had the Project X Graphite shaft (4.5) which was a shaft I was definitely interested in.. When can we expect the Mizuno MP63 and Wilson Staff blades critique? lefthack Here some pictures up close of the SIM only for now. The last 3 years I was a 20 Hcap at this time of the year…now I am 5 strokes less and the season is just begining! These type of irons are generally targeted to low and mid-handicap golfers, although they appeal to golfers of all ability levels, including some higher handicap golfers. Mizuno irons have been known as being players irons. Blades vs. Cavity Back Irons. Putter: SeeMore SB1 + Accra FX300. I gotta tell you guys, I love everything you do. There, this Chinese company began producing these “new Ferrari’s” with their own employees, and suppliers. I’m still trying to get used to the feel versus my old Tommy Armour V-25 forged irons. It’s early in your process & I have no doubt that you’ll learn & improve the process as you go forward. That’s more than a yard and half better than the average miss, and bests everything but the MP-53 by more than 3 feet. 1) Overall Best Value Players Irons: Titleist AP2 712 So as we began to write this review of what really are 8 of the nicest set of irons we’ve ever hit, we decided the time was right to launch what you might consider an early Alpha release of the 2nd generation of our Ultimate Review System. I would have bet you picked the mizunos with out even looking at the reviews, so much for unbiased reviews. They have not truly changed in time. Scratch’s EZ-1 was the first iron we received for this review. One thing I have noticed is that up until the last half decade or so, have the main stream club companies, with maybe the exception of Mizuno, been able to, or, shall I say, willing to produce a club with the same feel as my 12 year old PRGRs. As an earlier poster commented, we’re talking post honeymoon, just point and shoot arrows. I now play the Adams Pro Gold. 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